2nd Assignment

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It`s clear from the title " To the Ladies ", Mary wants to send a message to a lady to be like what she is now and dosn`t marry and link her life with a person who treats her as a servant. The poem talks about woman`s suffer. That`s from the moment she got married, she lost all of her rights.

Obey and obey
and nothing she has to say

Just be what her husband wants
and spends her life in houseworks

She deals with him as a God
while he deals her so bad

A man has a helper which is a law
but at the law list a woman is low
(it`s not very well .. but I hope you got the message)

If i was in that age (17th 18th) i would like to be one of the ladies whom the writer spent the message to. And i would listen to her advice and not get married. Especially, in Christianity divorce is not allowed. If they got married they will be together forever even if they do not like each other. It is one of the differences between Christianity and Islam. And the other one, Islam is the religion which protects, saves , honors and venerates the women. She deals as a princess, while Christianity is not!. I think there`s one similarity between them which is obey her husband. But there is a big different in the way of her man treats her !

Also, we can realize the marrige in Saudia is based on cooperation, consulation, love, and devotion. It`s different from that centuary ...

That`s it

This poem "To Ladies" by Mary is about women's rights in Christianity in 18th century .The massage that the speaker is trying to send is to give women all rights and the respect. Also, the poet give women advice to be proud and value their selves . I agree with her to respect the women but I disagree when she said "Men despise" because the wife must respect her husband without loss her pride.
There are differences between women's rights in Christianity and Islamic.
In Christianity , women like servant, were degraded, fear , could not take many of rights, never took any freedom, and could not leave their husband by divorce, because it was forbidden.
In Islamic , women have pride from their childhood to death. A husband work to get money to his wife and children. Also, he give love , respect ,thank….etc to his wife. In addition , when he want do something , he ask his wife and take her opinion if it is good. On the other hand , a wife must be obedient, neat, clear, high-minded, polite, good-humored , and lover. Also she must serve her husband .
In Saudi society today,Some women in son family haven't all right but I believe most women in Saudi have the rights.

this poem talk about women and their suffering at that time , they were like a servants and they haven't anything to do in the society so their voices and opinions are not audible , even in marriage ,man is everything. Also, the speaker in this poem ask for the freedom .

Christian men at that time locked up their women and prevented them from mixing with men and put them in a room isolated in the home did so because they didn't believe on them ,heat them and see the sin therein while the Muslim men did the same but they see their wives, mothers and daughters to protected them because they them as a splendid jewels. But there are some men in our society deal with women in a bad way and look at them as a servant like the Christian men in 17th/18th centuries.

Islam gave women the full consideration and authority as men, science and the duty and work is optional. Provide them with assistance in the affairs of the house as a husband, because they are not solely responsible for household chores and not a servant, but a wife.

at the end , I don't no if I agree with her about marrige or not but may be I'll agree with her
if the marrige will be like a prison.

hello..

The poem talk about those dark days of the women rights, so the marriage was like a forever prison, and the man was the jailer, he was rustic selfish and bossy. The poem also shows the women powerless, they can't do or said any thing..
The speaker mention to the ignorance in that age, and the women were not-independent. She was against that live style when she talks about the nuptial contract and said that fatal knot is tight, she want her freedom.


In Islam if the life was hard and the couple can't live together any more, they can divorced, but in Christian just the death can end marriage. Women those days are educated, and know more about there rights but not all women effected by what they learn. Still there is weak women, don’t ask for there right and also we live in masculine society which thinks the women right is just a luxury or departure from the ethics.
If we back to the Islam we will see that it is give the women many right and freedom but we are not apply the Islam as it is

[color=indigo]hello teacher , and this is my comment

This poem talks about the status of woman in the 18th century , and
the writer describes the position of women and the bad situation that she
was live in. why woman is treated like this way ?,why man is the one who
control but woman can't say anything ? In a word "wife was such as a
servant" freedom is impossible to happen for her in that time and she was
a weak person . I think the marriage was as a cage which she is suffering
inside it , she is only expected to nod and say yes. there was a big
difference between Christianity and Islam , as I realized from the poem
which was written by a Christian woman ,she is telling the real life of the
Christian society and the way that woman was treated by, it's unfair roles
which give men their rights but woman has to be a servant all her life . On
the opposite, Islam kept all woman's rights, she is served as a mother,
protected as a sister and respected as a wife . that's what the prophet
Mohammad said ,If woman wants to be divorced she can have it but
Christian one can't . But now woman' s rights are being broken as what
happen some times in Saudi Arabia which make that similar to the
Christian society . [/color

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Analysis of ' To The Ladies "
As a woman, the poet wonderfully describe the old relationship between men and woman. Getting married, a woman becomes her husband servant ( wife and servant are the same ). She says they sign a contract of particular partnership that to give him a full life obedience. He becomes her master and her " God " . She does not to ask for freedom or objects his orders. She says here, that man's severity is something natural ( innate ) , he is convinced that if she look , laughed or spoke is against their marriage ( Nuptial Contract ), so it will be broken. A woman could sing but like a " mute" and alone. Ironically, He governs her with " a nod " a sign from his head. Obeying the man he think himself as her God , serving him not do anything but what he sees or thinks right as he is the only one with brain to think. Revolting against fawn and flattering , the poet asks every woman to value and honour themselves by using their wisdom.
* What is her take on marriage ? Is she with / against it ?
__ Her take on marriage is that marriage give the man the authority , the power to be the master and the woman to be the servant not to be equal to him but listens and obeys nothing more.
__I think she is against that .
* What are the differences / similarities between women's rights in Christianity & Islam ?
__ I think they have the same princple that a woman should obey her husband but they differ a lot. In Christianity , a woman has no right even to ask for divorce but in Islam women have the same rights as men . They have the right to speak , to work to be honoured and to have their own ownership. When it becomes to hard to live together , she can ask for her freedom ( divorce ).
* What are the differences / similarities between women's rights in Christian culture during the 17th / 18th centuries & the Saudi society today ?
__ I think they are similar in the way that women should not have the full freedom to do what they like.
__ They differ in : in Christian culture , women were treated badly and cruelty as servants or even as slave. But today in the Saudi society , women are respectably treated and honoured .

Chudleigh's poem " To the Ladies" talks about the Status of women in the 18th century . The speaker's message in this poem is that women need to value themselves and they have to be proud of themselves .She shows us the role of women at that time when they got married. They are like a servant and they must obey all what their husbands said. She is completely against the marriage and I agree with her. At that time marriage was insult the women, all what they have to be is their husband's servants. They lose their freedom and they can not get divorce because it is forbidden in Christianity. Christianity does not give the women their right in divorce while the Islam does. Husbands must respect their wives in Islam. When we compare the Christian culture during the 18th century and our Saudi society today in women's rights, we notice some similarities. Although Islam ensured the women's rights but there is some men still treat the women as the Christian's men was do. On other hand, some men respect women and treated them very well. This poem is interesting. It makes me think of what will happen in our Saudi society in the future.

The poem shows the rights of married women at that era. The speaker in an angru tone demonstrates between the wife and the servant by using the metaphor. She describes a wife`s role as if it is a slavery. She is now starting to clarify her point of view about the using of metaphor. After the contraction of marriage the wife will stay with him till death nothing will separate them, as if that contarction as an old thick rope no one can untie it. Then the speaker shows the word that the wife says to her husband after getting married, which is "obey" in order to continue the view of slavery. Therefore, the poor slave which has a title as a wife would not expect anything from his majesty other than respect Him,serve, and obey. He is grown up as a prince, an eatern prince, brutal, careless and must served. Thus, the wife can not do as human innate or more specific as women if she talks or laugh or even look she must take her permission from her husband nod. The wife must be on mute mode all the time and again the view of slavery continued the loss of independence from the "fatal knot", the word freedom is srongly associated with slavery. The speaker continues the slavery wife This demonstrates the simplistic, servant like nature a wife will show to her husband and his expectations of her submissiveness towards him. The use of the word"nod" is to show how lower the wife in that era. Here the word "obey" is using for the second time to emphasize the servant role that the wife must perform for her husband. She is not suppose to speakor or do anything. This situation lower the role of the wife as if she`s aservant not a life companion. The husband knows everything he has the mind to think he knows better than she does. Now the tone of the speaker turned into an urgent tone to warn the unmarried women to avoid it and wipes out the sparkling picture of getting married. Married is path they should not choose. Then the speaker advices the married ones in an ecourageous tone to value theirselves against slavery in the name of marriage. Moreover, married women must be wise not to put theirselves in the position of a servant.

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What is her take on marriage? is she with/against it? Do you agree/disagree with her?


Though her angry tone desribes strongly her point of view, she got married .


Absolutely I`m with her in her poem.

What are the differences/similarities between women's rights in Christianity & Islam?



At this point I see no similarity Only one big difference as Ruba said:

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One major difference, women in Islam have the right to demand divorce when things don't work out in a marriage similar to the one mentioned in the poem.



This poem shows Christianity women`s rights which totally the opposite in Islam.

What are the differences/similarities between women's rights in Christian culture during the 17th/18th centuries & Saudi society today?




In the 17th-18th century:

Women at that time were observed more as objects of possession to the men than as an equal human being. They were simply useful for nurturing the children and working around the house, otherwise, anything from a woman was not acceptable.

In Saudi society today, women as Ahlam said:
" women are more cherish in Islam and have rights to protect them from being used."


Although women have rights in our great religion, men have thier way in applying those rights. No all men apply the rights, nor all of them ignore.



Regards,

Firs of all, I like this poem ,it show how they live in that century . Also, It show how weak thy are at that time. So, the most important thing is thankinig God foe being Muslem.
In the first three lines the poet show us the name and the different between them, if there is a real one!. There is no respect , right and love for the woman. She worn the ladies in the poem, worn them to get married of a person who don't respect her OR, worn her of that kind of marriage. Then , the speaker mentioned the word " Obey" which is a strong word that no women say it , only servant do. This word actually show how thy are don't have any respect or right of being "wife" .Love , faith, honest and good relation ship is the last thing that any man think about it in that century.

Muneerah Zaid Al-Kharan

"To The Ladies"poem is written in 17th century,in that time the married women do not have any freedom.In the Christianity also the divorce is taboo so if you get married your only option is death.The speaker in this poem talk about the traditional marriage in that century.She compare the wife with the servant.Therefor,the wife does not allowed to say any thing because she is lady and she has not position in the society.Her job is just serve her husband .The speaker also say, if you get married there is no way out and lose your freedom. The wife also fear her husband like God.She completely controlled by the husband,and just take order from the husband.At the end speaker give advice she say"if you get married in this way you lose your freedom so you should value yourselves and be proud of your selves.

When I read this poem,I thank God to be Muslim.Islam is give you more freedom within Islamic teachings,every person has rights in Islam.The marriage in Islam is basic on respect,the wife should respect her husband .On other hand,the husband should respect his wife,the husband also give his wife her rights completely.The wife can say any thing,she also discuss with her husband in every thing. The marriage in Islam is sharing the life.In the Islam if you get married and you do not like your husband you can divorce. Divorce in the Islam is hated but you can do it when you realy need it.

The marriage in Saudi society is completely different from the marriage in this poem. In Saudi society marriage is basic on Islam and it's teachings.Te way of marriage in Saudi society is sharing the life between the wife and the husband.It also order respect from each member of the marriage.Wife in Saudi Arabia these days has complete freedom.

Hello,

I think the poem talks about how women were treated at that time.They were pretty much like maids.The poet is against marrige,abviosely, that's what I get from her tone. Also, it talks about men's mistreatment and cruelty to the ladies. At that era when women were not getting their full rights, the poet wrote this poem asking or should I say demanding for their rights. I think that's the message of the poem.
allthough, the weastern world was a wake for women's rights from a long time ago, unlike us whose still afraid of demanding for our rights until this day,honestly.
They are ,for sure, centuries beyond us. based on my knowledge in En literature,they were ,disbites every thing else, more open-minded ,at that time and even centuries earlier, than us (the middle-easterns espiciely the saudi society) at this time, the 21st century.

the poem is talking about women in 18th-17th century,and how she had been Treated,by men,and Society.
The speaker is trying to deliver the message of women should not be Compared with a servant whil she is a wife. She had all the rights of having the same freedom that men had.The speaker is saying that once your married there is no way out, and marriage is a death of any freedom,and there is no way of ending this marriiage but death.I do really agree with her with this piont,no one should take her away from living her live.however, I think that we are the muslim women are honored by GOD, who gaves us all right of living peasfully with gentle husbands.


thnks Mrs. Ohoud, and so sorry for being late

This poem is about ladies status at 18th century. From her point of view she try to make women love themselves and proud. She against with marriage and think they will be no opinion. She compare a wife to a servant. I disagree with her, women must obey there husbands, but not like a servant, life is a partnership.